Palmares Red  and Apricot Standard Poodles red standard poodle

Lets talk about the term Moyen .

Here at Palmares/Sheroc it has always been my goal to breed Smaller standards ..And I have been successful in doing so .Can I say that I have Moyens? Sure.. But because I breed in America , I call them Small Standards . Because that is what they are ..

The term Moyen is defined as such :

"The Moyen Poodle is basically a small standard poodle. ... Its size falls in-between the Miniature and Standard Poodles, but it is not obtained by crossing the two sizes, it is an actual fourth Poodle size in Europe and is not a new size. Klein means small or mini in German."As defined by the FCI standard in Europe which is where this size is and was Until FCI Revisited their standard and it now falls under Medium.

The sexual dimorphism must be clearly
visible in all varieties.
Standard Poodles: Over 45 cm up to 60 cm with a tolerance of +2
cm. The Standard Poodle must be the enlarged and developed replica
of the Medium Poodle of which it retains the same c
Medium Poodles: Over 35 cm up to 45 cm.
Miniature Poodles: Over 28 cm up to 35 cm. The Miniature Poodle
must display the appearance of a reduced Medium Poodle, retaining
as much as possible the same proportions and without presenting any
sign of dwarfism.
Toy Poodles: Over 24 cm (with a tolerance of -1cm)
up to 28 cm
(sought after ideal: 25 cm). The Toy Poodle maintains, in its
ensemble, the aspect of a Miniature Poodle and the
same general
proportions complying with all the points of the standard.)

Note that it also states this size is not a result of mixing the two sized . For example  breeding a Miniature to a Standard .

Mixing the two sizes will result in an Inter-variety cross. Not a moyen ..

In America We recognize three sizes.

Standard Miniature and Toy

And a reputable American breeder follow the AKC standard . In practice and in terminology .


(General Appearance:
and Condition
That of a very active, intelligent and elegant
appearing dog, squarely built, well proportioned, moving soundly and carrying himself
Properly clipped in the traditional fashion and carefully groomed, the Poodle has about him an
air of distinction and dignity peculiar to himself.
Size, Proportion, Substance
The Standard Poodle
is over 15 inches at the highest point
of t
he shoulders. Any Poodle which is 15 inches or less in height shall be disqualified from
competition as a Standard Poodle.
The Miniature Poodle
is 15 inches or under at the highest point of the shoulders, with a
minimum height in excess of 10 inches. Any Poodle which is over 15 inches or is 10 inches or
less at the highest point of the shoulders shall be disqualified from competition as a Miniature
The Toy Poodle
is 10 inches or under at the highest point of the shoulders. Any Poodle which is
more than 10 inches at the highest point of the shoulders shall be disqualified from competition
as a Toy Poodle.
As long as the Toy Poodle is definitely a Toy Poodle, and the Miniature Poodle a Miniature
Poodle, both in balance and proportion for the Variety, diminutiveness shall be the deciding
factor when all other points are equal.
To insure the desirable squarely built appearance, the length of body measured
from the breastbone to the point of the rump approximates the height from the highest

point of
the shoulders to the ground.)

There seems to be a lot of confusion today as to this "new" size in America.. It is a marketing term plain and simple..

I personally have imported Klein lines and may in the future use this term .. But for now America recognizes three sizes Standard Miniature and TOY

This is rumor. She is 17.5 inches at the shoulder and 30 lbs she is a product of standard to standard breeding

This is Devin , again a Standard to Standard Breeding . 19.5 inches ant the shoulder and 38 lbs ..

Pending health testing My imported KLEIN male Ruffus will be their husband..

This is Pearl a Standard to Standard Breeding she is 18 inches and 35 lbs of pure muscle ...

Moyen Poodles